Sammath Re-Issues “De Ruïnes Fluisteren” demo (1997)

Following a massive US tour and rising interest in its latest full-length, Grebbeberg, Dutch-German war metallish black/death band Sammath unleashes a re-issue of its 1997 demo “De Ruïnes Fluisteren” via Docs Production.

Featuring Jan Kruitwagen playing all instruments except keyboards by M.Gertzen, the demo shows the direction Sammath would take on its triumphant first album, Strijd, and foreshadows much of what would develop with the band as it developed further.

You can pick up your CD, cassette, or vinyl directly from the band via its store and blast it at noncompliant normies.

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30 thoughts on “Sammath Re-Issues “De Ruïnes Fluisteren” demo (1997)”

  1. Crose says:

    Fantastic band! They by far have the best logo in the business.

  2. will to shower scene from Dress To Kill says:

    Brett, I need your thoughts on something-completely unrelated.
    I don’t always agree with you, but I respect your opinions.
    How do you reconcile your political/philosophical/worldviews with artists you know are politically your opposite?
    Artists that you love musically, but you abhor everything about them?
    For instance-right or wrong-I love Tori Amos. From the moment I heard her first album. Loved.
    I imagine she is a screaming leftist based on the little I know of her politics. And for some reason, that doesn’t bother me.
    Yet I can’t listen to Celtic Frost/Hellhammer or support Tom G because he is such a little leftist douche. Everything about him is either hypocritical or just so left it makes antifa blush.
    Now I was in 15 in 85 when I hear Morbid Tales and honestly, that band meant everything to me.
    It shaped me. Yet now I can’t listen to it. I am not sure he’d even want me as fan.
    I don’t know if I am being silly as old grown man.
    Help me out. Is this something you even contemplate? I am sure there must be bands that have an agenda diametrically opposed to your beliefs. Do you still support?
    Appreciate your thoughts

    1. Part of it is genre appropriate. Tori Amos writes jazzy folk pop for young twentysomething women. If she was not Leftist, I’d be a bit shocked, although maybe over time she has drifted over to the Dark Side.

      I generally do not read lyrics or know anything about bands. I just listen to the music and think about it. I assume that most of my favorite grindcore and hardcore bands are fairly Leftist or at least libertarian.

      Then again, when you are me… almost no one is going to match my politics, which are really philosophy, which is really culture, which is really genetics. Monarchism, eugenics, Half Earth, hierarchy, capitalism, a transcendent goal; few outside the nineteenth century can even parse that.

      I guess with Celtic Frost and Hellhammer, I try to listen to them as pure sonic art and figure the lyrics are there just to enhance the mood and contrast. I liked Tom Warrior’s book, but his childhood sounded hellish enough that I imagine he will be alienated from humanity for life.

      1. Hmm says:

        The FAQ tells me something very different.

    2. We'll always have Graveland says:

      The fact that Rob Darken once made a statement about Graveland having nothing to do with politics was a relief for me. Not that I personally care; I just find it tiresome to defend a band to people who only look at the political side of things. The question remains if that statement wasn’t hilariously too late and if only a handful of people ever noticed it

      1. …because it’s hilariously unrealistic. Nothing can be detached from politics; if you do not take an interest in politics, politics takes an interest in you. If you do not have a strong army, the Mongols come for you. Anarchy and the conservative version “I just want to be left alone” are fantasies for idiots.

        1. Fears says:

          Or you may just be compelled to accept that your existence is at least in many aspects inherently destructive and leave the value judgements to those who know better.

          Which is nobody as far as I can tell.

          The more I learn, the less I know.

          1. In my view, it is all about finding a way to make existence significant. There will be destruction, yes, and creation too, but that’s sort of besides the point, since these things are inherent to the nature of time.

            1. No dopamine allowed says:

              You rarely have anything nice to say, when I’m visiting this site I feel like I’m in some kind of depressing post-apocalyptic, dilapidated eastern bloc hellhole. Maybe instead of consigning others you deem unfit to Russia, to go and live there yourself, because USA is much too cheerful for you…

              There’s some truth to thinking positive gets you positive, while just as true for the negative.

              1. Thinking positive about garbage is more depressing than being honest.

                Also the peanut gallery that bitches about me was concerned some time ago that I was too effusive in praise of Texas bands.

                I haven’t heard that trope for awhile.

                You know what deceptive thinking is? A thesis in search of a set of facts, not all facts in search of a thesis.

            2. Free Range Anus says:

              Yeah I shit meaning know what I mean?

              I respect your line of thought though I don’t share some basic assumptions which throws the value of your whole project into question for me

              But u got a killer ear and that’s a fact

              1. Thank you FRA. I am still a nihilist. However, reality does succumb to study in some areas.

        2. Cynical says:

          The distinction between “Burzum is to stimulate the fantasy of mortals” and politics happen as a side product of that vs. “our band is intended to specifically promote the policies of the NSDAP/CCCP/Democratic Party” is an important one IMO, and I’m not ready to throw shade at Darken for expressing where Graveland (and, I’d assume, Lord Wind) fall on this divide in an inelegant way.

          1. Yes, art likes to stay out of politics, but art also delineates a perspective, if not a prescription. Art is philosophy, and politics is philosophy, so even though seemingly unrelated, they address each other.

            1. Anal Rapist says:

              Everything and nothing is politics. Since we’re in the supposed nihil-zone here, life is more or less what you make it.

              (although paradoxically I don’t believe in free will because everything feels too staged to my well developed sixth rapist sense)

              As for my view on art and politics: I don’t care as long as it’s good, whatever the fuck that means.

              I think your definition of (prefered) politics is “pragmatism”, optimizing life and finding the most sensible solution to problems… but this sometimes becomes a religious death trap, because always remember the rule that you can’t have good without the bad. Perfection often means imperfection, because nothing is perfect.

              You probably want something balanced, with just enough dirty in it, to make sense, like a fresh juicy asshole…

              1. Born in 2009 says:

                Wow, thanks for your insights, fellow 16-year-old. Together, we will rule the world.

                1. Born in 2024 says:

                  16 is for pussies, try 1 year, the best number.

                2. Anal Rapist says:

                  You know, when you know everything, life ceases to be interesting. Embrace idiocracy, be the worst fucking idiot you can be, or else Fake Stevens would be out of a job. We don’t want this guy quitting on us, he’s humanity’s most precious gift…

                  1. Time is open-ended, there will always be no lack of new adventures. Now go forth and stop listening to shitty thirteenthrate funderground bands.

                    1. Britney 4 lyfe says:

                      Let me tell you a listen secret, I don’t even fucking listen to metal anymore, and the reason is because they’re so bad that pop musicians do a better job.

                    2. For most metal bands, this is true. The caste system prevails:

                      * Thralls (90%/under 115s): repetitive labor
                      * Karls (9%/115-125): patterned labor
                      * Jarls (1%/125+): cognitive labor

                      About 1% of the metal made has a chance of being good. The rest is either B material or the 90% that is a droning clown show.

                    3. Cynical says:

                      Minor pedantry — 125 IQ is about the 5th percentile, not the top percentile. The top percentile is >135.

                    4. It’s a little bit of a fudge because in point of fact, I am measuring not just IQ but “nobility” i.e. benevolent sociopathy. 1% is probably very generous for this intersection.

  3. The plesiosaurkon Mixosaurus prime raprockzilla Mosasaur death metal Plutonian insect police want white males dead so I can rape the shit out of Dylan dryer Hallie Jackson Sara Gilbert Larra Jarret Claire Lamb Alissa white gluz with black dicks! says:

    Sexuality and Crime: A Neo-Darwinian Perspective
    Front Cover
    Anthony Walsh
    Taylor & Francis, Jun 16, 2023 – Psychology – 134 pages
    Written by one of the leading figures in biosocial criminology and evolutionary psychology, this work explores the tight relationship between criminality and indiscriminate sexuality within the framework of life history theory. The underlying thesis is that traits associated with a strong libido, indiscriminately expressed, are intertwined with traits associated with criminal behavior; that is, excessive interest in sexual adventures pursued in an irresponsible way is undergirded by the same individual short- run hedonistic traits that define criminality. While traditional criminology tends to view sexual and criminal behavior as separate domains, many biosocial criminologists, evolutionary psychologists, neuroscientists, and behavioral and molecular geneticists are not at all surprised that a link exists between criminality and sexuality. Research shows that the statistical relationship between indiscriminate sexuality and criminal behavior is stronger than for most other variables associated with crime, although most studies dealing with this relationship are from outside the dominant environmentalist paradigm of criminology.

    Using life history theory as the theoretical umbrella for exploring the relationship between indiscriminate sexuality and criminal behavior, the book explores how and why criminal behavior is related to hypersexuality. Life history theory, which has a long and fruitful history of use among evolutionary biologists who use it to investigate the relationship between mating strategies and the environment among various species of animals (including humans) is particularly suited to understanding how an exclusive focus on mating effort is related to criminal behavior.

    This book will be of interest to scholars and students in criminology, psychology, and sociology, and anyone interested in examining the interconnection between biological, psychological, and socio- environmental factors in relation to criminal behavior.

    Hahahaha

    I know

    Naggers rape murder steal kill

    But what if there is good rape brett?

    What if there is good race mixing it is there no such thing huh?

    OK GENIUS WHAT ABOUT MIXED RACE HUMANS WHAT IF THOSE WHO SEEK TO CREATE ONE?

    ARE THERE NO HONEST RACE MIXERS AT SHIT AT ALL?

    HEY BRETT FUCKER YOU MEAN TO TELL HELLO MAN THAT ALL ASS FUCKING IS WRONG AND TELLING ME THAT ALL RACE MIXING IS BAD NOW HUH?

    ALL RIGHT YOU GONNA KILL MIXED HUMANS HUH?

    CAN MIXED HUMANS BE ENSLAVED FOR HARDCORE XXX FUCKING RACE MIXING FOR THOSE WHO WANT MIXED HUMANS SPARED FOR SEXUAL ENJOYMENT HUH?

    CAN WE BRING BACK SLAVERY AND TAKE MULATTOS AND SEXUALLY ENSLAVE THEM?

    HOW ABOUT WE ENSLAVE THE MIXED POPULATION WHICH IS UPON THIS EARTH AND GIVE THEM TO BLACK MEN HUH?

    DONT U REALIZE THAT FORCE MUST BE USED TO CRUSH OTHERS HUH?

    WHY DONT YOU REALIZE THIS?

    DONT YOU REALIZE HUMANS DONT WANT CONTROL AND MUST BE FORCED TO DO SHIT HUH?

    SO BESIDES ACTING GANGSTER OR HYPERGHAMY OR BRAD PITTERY HOW CAN I CONTROL A WOMAN TO BE MY CUM EATING LITTLE SLUT?

    DO I HAVE TO ACT NUIGGERISH TO GET SLUTTY BADASS GIRLFRIEND AND SHIT HUH?

    ANSWER ME THIS MAKES ME SUICIDAL OK?

    1. I think there’s a lady for you out there, and she probably enjoys Deicide.

      1. Fellow sodomite says:

        She also used to be a man.

        1. Same is true of the Statue of Liberty.

          1. Fellow sodomite says:

            A giant mixed race penis oozing herpes placed in Ladyboy Liberty’s mouth would be appropriate.

  4. Beast says:

    I was just reading the millionth op-ed by a woman complaining about the dating market. Successful women are settling for less and less. And they’re right. But it’s no wonder. Women are in an historical situation where they are the good guys fighting patriarchy. Men, on the other hand, are has-beens, the bad guys, without any goals other than avoiding being bad. How is this supposed to turn men into anything other than manlets and school-shooters? Whenever we attempt to have a positive goal, we’re ridiculed.

    1. Egalitarianism conflicts with all goals but “moar egalitarianism.” Feminism like LGBTHIVBBQ+ is just sexual egalitarianism, sort of like how socialism is economic egalitarianism, democracy is political egalitarianism, and emo is artistic egalitarianism.

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