Kaeck, the creators of Death Metal Underground’s 2015 Album of the Year Stormkult, are playing the upcoming Under the Black Sun festival outside of Berlin next Saturday. Kjeld are opening right before Kaeck, making a €35 Saturday only day ticket a good opportunity for German fans to catch some of the best Dutch black metal bands live while avoiding most of the beer metal, funderground festival atmosphere. Kaeck posted a rehearsal of “De kult” on their Funbook page:
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That’s actually a pretty cool festival lineup. It would be interesting to Esoteric (who were great live when I saw them), Thornspawn, Hades, Den Saakaldte, and Kjeld in addition to Kaeck. Even Skyforger and Ancient might be good for a laugh. Too bad I don’t live the newly created European Caliphate.
You passed over some of the hot acts though — Ancient hopefully hasn’t changed since ‘Trolltar’ where I last left them, we’ll see if Aeturnus has still got doom in it, and the Teutonic deaththrash of Acherontas and Narvik. May the best niggaz win.
Can you please take your caliphate elsewhere?
Expanding on this a little: So far, the most important success of the armed clowns in the middle east (some of them, at least) has been that religion became a topic politicians discuss and people are expected to have opinions on again. That should unite all people who believe religion ought to be a political topic in joy.
“Expanding on this a little: So far, the most important success of the armed clowns in the middle east”
Do you mean every middle eastern government?
They’re armed. They’re clowns. And they’re in the middle east.
And they do more than what you mentioned. Saudi Arabia killed a poet for criticizing islam less than a year ago.
“Some of all of these people with guns there who keep killing each other” (as they have done since before Islam was invented). As Saudi Arabia is nothing but the former Sharifate of Mecca ruled by descendents of the former Sharifs of Mecca after they broke of from the Ottoman Empire, the Sharia is reportedly law there. Legally enforcing comparable parts of the Old Testament anywhere would probably be as bloody. Of course, so-called Christians also spent centuries with killing other so-called Christians for religious transgressions. But this just demonstrates that religion has no place in politics: Whoever thinks he wants to worship something ought to be free to do so in private for as long as he isn’t breaking any laws, including but not limited to not trying to force other people to care for any details of his creed.
Privately, I sometimes yearn for the charming simplicity of Grandpa Simpson’s Shoot them all, the lord will know his own people. But I don’t think that would be a good, practical political motto.
The Saudis are not descendants if the Hashemites; they are just Islamic fundamentalists who have been allied with the Wahhabists since the 18th century. Unlike the United States, the Ottomans understood that they were violent, primitive, religious fanatics who couldn’t be reasoned with. When they acted up, i.e. massacre people, the Ottomans knew the correct course of action was to wipe their state from the face of the earth, drag their leaders back to Constantinople, and behead them in triumph. Death has always been proven to be 100% effective in preventing recidivism.
“Religion has no place in politics”
What does that say about a religion which is inherently political?
Every religion has a political side to it, it’s just that most religions don’t act on it.
Every religion does to varying degrees, since every value can be acted upon politically.
Valuing nature can lead to ecological conservatism, for example.
Valuing art can lead to socialist music schools, etc.
But some religions are more overtly political than other ones. Not every religion dictates direct laws, or how society should operate.
Religiously justified laws are the usual outcome of theocrazies. The old testament has a lot of them. The new testament hasn’t because the people who wrote that weren’t in a position to govern anyone but themselves and this only informally. Similar to the situation which begat (parts of) the old testament, the beginnings of islam required organizing a tribal society in exile. One could go so far as to excuse this because if religious leaders end up as political leaders, what are they supposed to come up with if not religious laws?
But this is really a digression and the direct answer is nothing special: As ‘recent developments’ show, people who try to appeal to (mass) irrationalism, in particular, suppressed angst turned into open aggression, in order to employ classic divide et impera tactics for their own benefit, will consider it a particularly suitable tool. Hence, in this case, they’ll unite with the so-called islamists wrt fighting for political recognition of their chosen religion. And taking sides in this mock fight is admitting defeat.
You are trying to make it seem like islam is nothing special. Like every religion behaves this way in these circumstances.
Stop that.
Where are the Tibetan Buddhists blowing up Chinese school buses? (occupation of their country)
Where are the Zoroastrian holy wars? (religious persecution)
Why isn’t it the Christians in the middle east doing anything? (The same area as muslims)
And why is it that people who have been born and grown up in socialist Europe, who decide to commit acts of terrorism where they live, or to travel to the middle east to do it, are all muslim?
That’s because – as I already wrote – it’s nothing special to me. Secular society is a hard fought for outcome of a very bloody struggle which lasted until the 20th century. If I’m the only person on this planet who considers that worthy of being preserved, that’s a start.
Also, if the religion is good, then it can be in politics all it wants. The problem is not religion in politics, the problem is shitty religions in politics.
And islam is shit.
The problem with this is that my religion is really much gooder than yours as the immortal winged zebra shark clearly told me so!
Judging the relative value of religions requires a god. I’ll confine myself to more worldly opinions such as “Killing defenseless women is not honourable”. Especially not if done out of fear for one’s own reputation. That’s as cowardly as it can possibly get and deserves no spiritual figleafs.
No, a god is not necessary to judge the quality of anything, including religions.
I’m actually gonna go see them just because of this website. Will send impressions. Cheers !
Are metal “fests” in Europe any better than ones in the states? I cannot stand the festival atmosphere and even good bands tend to sound lame on outdoor stages or sandwiched between mediocre acts. I guess they serve a purpose in the greater scheme of things for up and coming bands, but I’ll take the dank bar or club for metal any day.
If you don’t like he festival atmosphere in the States, you won’t like it in Europe either.
I fucking hate fests and leatherpants BM.