Coming from the genre of fan films pretending to be documentaries, Death by Metal tries to make Death frontman Chuck Schuldiner into a legend of metal who invented death metal out of thin air. In doing so, it panders to the nostalgia and hard rocker audience but misses many opportunities.
It does this by ignoring all proto-death and death metal bands before the first Death album (Sepultura, Morbid Angel, Master, Bathory, Sodom, Hellhammer, Slayer, Possessed) and instead hammers hard on Death metal meaning nothing. In its view, Chuck just accidentally created a genre.
Although we have hard historical proof that he did not invent the genre, and in fact may have taken it back toward speed metal and away from the rising language of death metal, Schuldiner was part of a movement that sought to express in sound a certain attitude toward modernity and eternity.
Through well-edited cuts from interviews with people in the band, on the legal team, and in the genre, this documentary tells a basic background story of the formation of Death, ignoring any influences on Schuldiner, his guitar playing methods, or his attitudes toward life.
Instead we get lots of “rocker” material. Much of it is defensive, like the lengthy explanation of why people saw Schuldiner as a mentally unstable dramatic prima donna who quit tours and fired people at random. They only partially succeed there.
The biggest voice against Schuldiner is himself, namely his seemingly politicized interview statements, vague answers, emotional posturing, and most of all that droning voice. It is not well to speak ill of the dead, but Schuldiner is often his own worst witness.
Unfortunately, the documentary completely skips over many points of interest, like the corpse found with Death Leprosy under it in Tampa, a legend that could use investigation. It does not cover the upside-down cross in the Death logo that slowly because rightside-up.
It also avoids talking about the larger death metal scene except peripherally, mainly because this would involve discussing non-American music and seeing how much Schuldiner was a small part of a larger motion toward a new genre of music to replace speed metal which faded after For Whom The Bell Tolls.
For some reason, there is a fairly intense look into his medical condition which features exclusively hearsay. No actual medical information is offered, as if they are hiding that Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS or something of that nature.
We hear a good deal about how Death wanted to be “different” after Spiritual Healing, and how going ten years backward to power metal was a big step forward in progress, or some blather of that nature. He wanted to play the music of his youth; is this such a bad thing?
The audience also gets regaled with lots of propaganda about how death metal was closed-minded at the time in a quest for brutality, without mentioning Cannibal Corpse and how this was not the genre as a whole, just the people who imitated that band in the hope of following its success.
No mention is given to the other bands which may have pushed him into progressive directions like Gorguts, Pestilence, Morbid Angel, and Atheist, all of which were making a progressive version of metal instead of a metalized version of progressive-ish rock music.
In many ways, the early years of Death are slighted by too much of a focus on the lite jazz and power metal years, missing out on when Schuldiner was probably at his artistic best and mentally clearest. Apparently his troublesome family situation could not be discussed except in passing either.
For whatever his faults, Schuldiner has his place in death metal history, although not as a “godfather” or creator but one of the cluster of bands that built on what Hellhammer, Bathory, Sodom, and Slayer did. He deserves for his unique voice to be heard, maybe through a filter to cut down honk and squawk.
But mostly, this documentary falls flat because of the lack of meaty and compelling information. Death metal sought not just to break from a mold, but to create a new vision, and all of that is glossed over for what feels like a lengthy infomercial about the “deep” fan connection to Death.
Rumor has it that Kontinual died of AIDS too (RIP).
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This indeed was a great tragedy. At the end, he was very thin, and all he wanted was to hear a competent Slayer bootleg one last time, but alas, there are very few competent Slayer bootlegs and lots of listening to people screaming while a band plays in the background.
I had no idea Kontinual had passed. I didn’t know him that well and unfortunately lost touch with him years ago, but definitely a great guy to chat with over a couple beers, as he had a great sense of humor and an encyclopedic knowledge of metal. He was also very good at ruining a lot of people’s night by occasionally commandeering the jukebox at local bars :)
If he is in fact still alive and this is just a joke, those are still well deserved compliments.
Analogous to saying Henry Ford invented the automobile. Also I never knew about that thing with the cross, which tells you everything you need to know.
I mean even if he didn’t flip the cross, you saw the Death logo become more and more cleaned up and sanitized as his career went on. That said everything really.
Honestly, classic Death doesn’t even hold up that well. Scream Bloody Gore still rules, but Leprosy sounds like he’s trying to make And Justice For All or South of Heaven but doesn’t have the testosterone to do it.
I like Scream Bloody Gore, appreciate Human, think Spiritual Healing was his peak, but have not much interest in listening to stuff that honestly — and as you note — sounds like warmed over speed metal. Death took a direction that Sepultura, Hellhammer, Bathory, and Sodom did not and in my view, is not really very death metal at all. By 1986, Morbid Angel had already nailed the genre, but people wanted chunky monkey music so they could bop their heads and tap their feet like they did to all the fetus speed metal jive, so they celebrated Death and then Cannibal Corpse. It is moron hypnotism.
I’m pretty much right there with you when it comes to Death but I think the sound of perseverance is his best work
SOP at least ended the schizophrenia for awhile: his heavy metal and death metal sides were in sync with his progressive ambitions which seemed to roll back a little and let him write songs. This was probably right after his AIDS diagnosis when he knew he was going to die emaciated with constant diarrhea.
it just strikes me as his most emotionally mature output. chucks emotional depth and insight into human nature are what make his music interesting to me because while it does still kick ass musically, his technique and songwriting is nothing that a bunch of bands didn’t do at least a little better. the only bands that come to mind immediately that are on his level as far as the emotion and insight goes are atheist and metallica
“emotional” “mature” “insight” sounds like the only depth you know is a big meaty wart beboggled slimy tar black phallus, heaving and pulsating making the scabby onion bulbous warts weep itchy secretions that will scrape your rectum like barnacles on an obsidian stone idol of your hero worship.
Interesting situation. A sort of obvious band name, mediocre album art, tons of drama including an ever-evolving logo, and still manages a couple top shelf albums. Guess we’ll take it any way we can get it! Come to think of it, Satan was another obvious band name that also went Christian but were pretty good nonetheless (and maybe Trouble too!)
The obvious band names are sort of the best, however. I always thought “Blitzkrieg” was a better band name.
I wonder if there’s ever been a band called “Band”, gotta look that up.
There was “The Band,” who I guess just got tired of thinking of names, sort of like AIDS victim Steve Jobs naming his company “Apple” out of frustration.
Actually they called themselves the Band because that was how they were referred to while playing with Ronnie Hawkins. But I’m sure you consider that music commercial and garbage so that’s probably why you’re clueless about it. They were more interested in making music than worrying about a fucking band name. LMFAO, it must be tough to be up your own ass 24/7 huh? It’s definitely exhausting to normal people. Cheers
calm down buddy the Jerries cant hurt you anymore
Is this preemptive to a “Damn, I should’ve said that” kind of regret that you fear will bite you otherwise?
Ironic since this little factoid about The Band is capital R reality and what you have to say is irrelevant
The factoid is not particularly relevant. I see people arguing intensely over a detail. What is the bigger picture?
It doesn’t matter and sniffing your own farts doesn’t change that
We need to turn the cross upside down, and then join the Hindus in their war against Muslims and Zoroastrians. I feel like Judaism is self-destructing and we should just breed their people into the Irish to humanize the latter.
Death = Possessed + Slayer, Morbid Angel = Bathory + Slayer. And we all know 100% for certain that Chuck Schuldiner died of AIDS.
Morbid Angel strikes me more as Slayer and then Hellhammer, Bathory, Mercyful Fate, and maybe something like Angel Witch or Iron Maiden. They were rockers, for sure, but then streamlined to a kind of aggressive prog that skipped the jazz (probably just racist) for a type of almost pure musical language of its own. The rocker stuff came out in tunes like “Angel of Disease,” still the happiest death metal song ever written, perfect for birthdays and christenings.
Interesting. So what is the happiest BM song in your opinion? Burzum’s Black Spell of Destruction? I can feel a lot of major and happy feelz. Then again, if you count “War” as Black Metal… (from the same album). Also Phantom had some major stuff, like Key to the Mausoleum or the fifth track from Divine Necromancy (don’t remember the name).
Anything from that Ancient EP!
Kvist and Dawn often incorporated melodies that straddled the border of the melancholic and the saccharine…
Not to mention Eucharist. However, popular music generally has to rely on at some least some of the bleedin’ obvious, musically, or it is impossible to play and/or the fetuses wander off and buy Taylor Swift techno remixes instead.
I like Theatre of Tragedy – Aegis … among other things… call it whatever you want, but it’s beautiful music. Am I am now a homo for liking this kind of stuff? Well, then I say let the AIDS be with me, always!
The intro riff of Burzum’s “Lost Wisdom.” What the hell is that thing? A jingle for some kids’ TV show? Jeez.
Windir pushed into some weird, almost dance territory. Gehenna’s First Spell, too.
First Spell wasn’t too bad. But that organ solo always puts a smile on my face.
It always baffled me that two members from Death were gay(Masvidal and Reinhart), but no one ever suspected that Chuck probably was gay. It’s unlikely that these individuals didn’t hang together and form a band without knowing each other’s sexuality. I can’t confirm Chuck was gay, but based on his mannerisms and the company he kept, it would make sense that he was. So it’s believe that he died of AIDS and his family kept it a secret.
With that being said, I still love Scream Bloody Gore up to Human era of Death. Great
album.
In my view, …this is very Generation X… Chuck has all the signs of (a) sexual abuse in the family and (b) a psychotic domineering female presence in the family. He was never able to leave home for long. He was both arrogant and lacked self-confidence. He reacted emotionally like a female because obviously that was the only presence in his life; his brother died, his sister has clearly been favored by the family, and we almost never see the father in the picture. Something was wrong in that home, as it is in many homes during Late Stage Democracy. If Chuck were sexually pliable, this would be consistent with the abuse plus female-led psyche, y’dig? I think he was probably in the grips of nostalgia for childhood and eventually reverted, basically covering the 1970s heavy metal of his early youth with Control Denied, and screaming at his parents with the name. He was a sacrifice to the horrible parenting brought on by equality and bourgeois morality (one and the same, really). He probably experimented but was uncertain and an obvious victim, therefore got himself involved in a situation involving large Black penises and soft pink twinks that ended in him getting HIV+. At that point, he could not tell his family; his father was a homophobe and his mother would have had a conniption fit. So he blew it off until he had full-blown AIDS, and then tried some experimental treatments before he faded fast and died of pneumonia. It is very sad because he shows us the problem of mixed-ethnic households, democracy, Boomers, and really the city mentality of bourgeois people, and he was sacrificed to the pretense of others. Then again, by Human he had fired his creative wad and probably should have been shot simply for his own benefit, since if he died on that peak, he would have been remembered as a hero not a mess. Many artists really should just die after their peak. If Metallica died after Ride the Lightning, they would be martyrs. Instead they are the new Rolling Stones. If Jeff Hanneman had died after South of Heaven, he would not be remembered for the funky chunky monkey releases Slayer puked out because the labels were screaming about Pantera and Slipknot. Arguably Black Sabbath should have gotten onto an MH370 after Sabotage, and probably were too coked out to do anything but transfer immediately to a higher plane anyway. Definitely at this point most people are wishing that Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin had just died in the late 1970s.
Despite all the shit you’ve spoken about Chuck over the years, you’re the most honest and thus humane towards his memory even amongst his fanbois rabble-rabbling at you.
Which brings me back to the fan-made documentary. I’m convinced that 85-90% of people into death metal aren’t even fans of the genre.
I try for honest and clarity with benevolence because nothing else works for me. This has made me into a cerebral benevolent sociopath, but this worldview is more stable than the emotive, social, and symbolic one that most people follow. But on to the main show:
At least that number now seem to be doing the hipster thing: they like it ironically, to make fun of it, and attempt to destroy it to make themselves feel better about being shells of humanity.
Chuck had some california chick/girlfriend as a band manager
so, still unsure if he was a total gay
He was probably all over the place, since he acts like a sexually abused child. Poor kid.
I never got gay vibes from chuck I think ur just homos
Pretty much everyone here is a fundamentalist homosexual.
Such a sweet boy. Such a tight rectum.
All great points! I can definitely see Chuck coming from a broken home. His lyrics kind of spoke that way. He was a very emotional individual. I like some of his lyrics, especially some lyrics from Human. “Lack of Comprehension” always comes to mind. He really didn’t take the Death metal approach to lyrics. His lyrics were very subjective. Even the lyrics from Spiritual Healing. It’s an attack on Organized Religion™️ but I felt his approach was too personal for the lyrics to be compelling. Immolation did a better job at attacking religion. They attacked from a place of hate and contempt, and Death/Chuck approached it from a whiny, anti-religion angle. At least that’s my view on it.
Your comment brought forth a lot of things I never knew about Chuck, and never really considered. I agree that he probably was abused, overlooked, and neglected by his family members. He definitely was a little too soft. Most metal head in metal bands from that era seemed way more masculine and normal(with the exception of David Vincent; it was rumored he was gay for pay to fund Morbid Angel’s early albums).
Maybe Chuck should’ve died right after Human because that Heavy/Power metal phase of the 90’s Death albums were pretty mediocre. That’s when all the losers who like Pantera got into Death. That’s why Death is so popular, combined with Chuck passing. People love to idolize dead musicians.
And then there was Chuck on eugenics and morality:
What do you make of the parallel I drew there?
In my estimation, Chuck was probably a Christian or a culturally Christian Buddhist by the time Human floated around like a flatus in church during winter.
I hear these rumors too. In my view, many artists are sexually flexible because to them sexuality is a question of aesthetics or cerebration. These are the people who also end up having sex with vegetables because it “seemed to fit the mood of the era.”
I tend to agree. Death was sort of a transition for Pantera and Tool fans. Not surprisingly, later Death sounded like “Painkiller” plus Pantera and Tool.
If you’re going to diss lyrics. I like Legion and Dawn of Possession and all, but both Benton and whoever wrote the lyrics for Immolation give off a definitive “my priest did me in the poo poo hole and it won’t heal” vibe :/
Not really dissing them, whatever that means. The parallels there are interesting.
There’s literally only one Immolation song that delved into personal/subjective lyrics that I can think of, and that was “Father, You’re Not A Father” and honestly, it was clever and quite effective. That song didn’t take the emo/nu metal approach of whiny victimhood, but highlighted the bullshit hypocrisy of the Catholic church.
Ross Dolan is the writer for Immolation, I suppose. It’s probably a collective effort from the entire band with writing credits. Also, Deicide’s lyrics are not in the same vain as Death. I don’t see the comparison.
Whilst I can’t speak for later releases, Deicide’s lyrics from ‘Once upon..’ onwards rapidly descended from poor to farcical.
I think the main gripe with Immolation is the repetitive and oft simplistic lyrical content, which is all the more apparent with Dolan’s rather comprehensible vocal delivery.
Dunno; the problem for me with Immolation is that after Close to a World Below, it becomes sort of fungible, and then the predictable sappy victimhood appears. Deicide at least is full masculine, “we hate your religion and are coming to rape you and kill you.”
Deicide with its cartoonish portrayal of anti-christianity parallels well with CC and its cartoon gore to the point of self-parody. No wonder those are two of the most popular DM bands around.
I have to disagree here; after coming out of the “Satanic Panic” 1980s, it was gratifying and Once Upon The Cross was a first amendment exercise machine (ask Michelle Carter).
In all honesty, I don’t think Chuck was a very sexually inclined person and just died from bad genetics, or the fact that… well, people die randomly all the time, some old, some young, big fucken deal…
It’s funny as hell though to adds the AIDS epithet to it and I don’t mind it because it obviously stems from kicking someone down a peg or two since Chuck wasn’t the godfather of anything and his music was mediocre at best (in my opinion).
Sex is overrated and mostly a modern obsession… there many (sane) people who don’t give a fuck about it (like myself), and find fulfilment in other things. For plenty of people there’s just more to life than the angry beta/alpha paradigm the wojackers/alt-righters created to make you feel like you’re missing something out. Romance is also a similar delusion that’s ultimately just glorified lust, but hey, Hollywood, and the music & pr0n industry make a ton of money out of it.
I’d pick drugs/alcohol any time of the day, because these highs lasts longer than a miserable 15-30 second orgasm that people seem to be fighting so desperately over like a bunch of primates.
I second the sentiment. For me, love, family, culture, nature, and the divine are all bound up in the same, and sex is a subheading there. Otherwise the prole-drama does wear kind of thin.
Chuck was obviously facing a genetic challenge coming from a mixed-ethnic family. This can sometimes backfire yugely. Ultimately what bothers me about Chuckworship (and not Chuck per se) is that it misses how much he wanted to take death metal out of what it was becoming. He got lapped by Final Holocaust, Altars of Madness, Morbid Visions, Onward to Golgotha, Consvming Impvlse, Legion, Considered Dead, Unquestionable Presence, and those other 1989-1991 albums coming to fruition that in a fit of pique he got AIDS and died. They probably reminded him of his mother, and he knew that after she wailed at him, he would cry himself to sleep, and then at midnight his door would open and he would hear Uncle’s zipper…
ah yes, the Nick Fuentes defence. ‘I not a poofter, just asexual guys, I swear!’
This is the best thing I’ve ever read
“Arguably Black Sabbath should have gotten onto an MH370 after Sabotage”
This would have caused us to lose out on “Mob Rules”.
Post-Ozzy Sabbath has never done anything for me. Dio emphasized the rock ‘n roll more than the metal.
You have to admit that Dio is a great vocalist though. Regardless of how you feel about Dio’s Sabbath era. He’s very preachy in his vocal approach , but I still enjoy it. “Sign of the Southern Cross” is still one of my favorites.
Brett likes it in the pooper this is conclusive evidence
Not to mention frotting and aggressive sodomy with reacharound.
Death was great from start to finish
Death was working against death metal after Spirtual Healing. They always sounded like Anthrax to me.
it’s just good music
Anthrax hit their peak on Persistence of Time. The first album was pretty good too in a Kiss-meets-Exodus kind of way.
First Anthrax is an underrated speed metal album, although they all deserved to be castrated violently for including ‘I’m Eighteen’ on that album. Contrast this turd with Maiden’s ‘Running Free’ similar themes, way less gay.
I can see both sides of this issue. I always thought the Alice Cooper song broke up the flow of the album, but it also kind of fleshed it out emotionally in a way that Anthrax were not ready to do. At this point, listening to Maiden past Killers is sort of awkward.
Never got into their last album.
Hated this movie. Glad I didn’t pay for the shit. They try to deify Chuck in it but he just came across as a bitch-made little pussy cancelling tours and fucking his bandmates.
Also he died of AIDS lol
Death was great as a gateway band for getting into death metal, especially those coming from speed metal or heavy metal. Bit like how Dissection are a good gateway into black metal. But it’s not the real deal and doesn’t hold up once you begin appreciating the greats of the genre.
pretty accurate article
while i like DEATH, Evil Chuck was gheeeeyyyy
wimping out on tours is one huge sign
The quitting tours thing seemed to be very dramatic and soured a lot of people for good reason. Metal is nothing without fans, bands, zines, radio, and even labels working together.
Musician innerview October 19, 2023 at 12:03 am “Death was great from start to finish”
Mlotek says Musician innerview is GHHHHEEEYYY, as Death stopped being cool after Spiritual healing
I like Human but it was almost a death metal album by a band that wanted to make a growlier version of …And Justice For All as someone else mentioned here.
I remember when a friend and i went to the local record chain store and I came home with Frolic Through the Park and he purchased Scream Bloody Gore. Both albums were probably near each other on the cassette rack. My friend loved it but I was nonplussed and thought Chuck’s vocals were goofy and pretentious. I never thought Death Metal would catch on and become what it is today.To this day, I find Death Metal incredibly boring because of the Cookie Monster vocals and corny, insipid “lyrics”. Actually Scream Bloody Gore sounds more thrashy than true Death metal as we know it today. Brett, what’s your opinion on Annihilation of the Wicked? I do enjoy that one.
I like death metal, but you have to pick carefully. There are some rare gems. At the time, I thought Annihilation of the Wicked was heading back into heavy metal territory, maybe with the influence of something odd from post-hardcore like Integrity or Neurosis.
I never really got into the apparently troubled life and mind Chuck had, but when “support music, not rumors!” ends up in the liner notes of your releases then there’s clearly something amiss. The thoughts on how it could have shaped the music are interesting though.
In a happenstance conversation I had with Kelly Schaefer back in ’06 he mentioned that he and Chuck crossed paths at an airport in the late 80’s and got in a heated argument. Apparently Chuck was badmouthing Atheist, and Kelly went off on how Death wasn’t advancing anything in the scene, that the musicians were subpar, the lyrics were flat, etc. Anyway, Kelly’s point was that he suspected this was the beginning of what became the album Human – which, aside from the boring song structures, still holds up.
I also agree that for a lot of people Death was an important introduction to heavier music, although for most of those same people I’m guessing their albums are more of a once or twice per year revisit.
Someone recently tracked down a bunch of former members for individual interviews, and his line of questioning tends to be pretty good. They’re all worth a listen while doing the dishes, scrubbing the floor, being a closeted homosexual, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/@intothecombine6169/videos
Interesting; I suppose I should break down my longstanding habit of avoiding vlogs to check them out.
The problem with Human is the Tool-like verse-chorus song structures with unrelated elaborations. The “jazz” influence usually means acceptance of randomness united through harmonic continuity rather than melodic continuity and song structure.
I cannot imagine badmouthing the first two Atheist albums.
Easy to forget these guys were just kids when they made their seminal records. Late 80s makes Schuldiner and his contemporaries what, barely 20? Good god the shit I pulled when I was that age. Obviously some people like Mustaine remain caustic pricks all their lives but even * he * has undoubtedly mellowed down from his wilder days.
Are there any good metal docs out there?
…other than Until the Light Takes Us, the pickings are pretty slim, but there are probably a few. The Lemmy documentary was good.