We know there is broad cynicism toward religion here; after all the Abrahamic (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) religions seem awfully simple and emotional. However, there is a whole world of spiritual belief out there which is not metaphysical dualism, neoplatonism, or universalism.
As a genre that is both passionate and logical, metal stands suspended forever between primitive pagan mysticism and modern scientific knowledge, sort of like Advaita Vedanta and other forms of philosophical religion. It can never participate in the illusion, but it seeks a truth beyond the visible.
If it has literary prophets, two of its most important are the Romantics who joined ancient occultism with modern science fiction to make a type of new mythology. The first of these, H.P. Lovecraft, created “cosmic horror” that was both atheistic and platonist:
Though Lovecraft separately re-imagined these two streams of elite and popular magic, he achieved his unique vision of the occult in part by promiscuously commingling them. In “The Dunwich Horror,” for example, Wilber Whateley and his isolated rural family are declared to be of degenerate stock, and practice strange rituals on the sinister Sentinel Hill, topped by an altar-like stone and featuring caches of ancient, possibly Indian bones. At the same time, Whateley needs to get the words of one his invocations exactly right, so he travels to Miskatonic University in order to compare their Latin edition of the Necronomicon to the fragmented Dee version he possesses. In Lovecraft’s world, learned magic unleashes atavistic and prehistoric powers rather than hierarchies of angels or devils; as such, he is able to depict an ancient but vital left hand path that is free of Satanism or Christian demonology. On the other side of the coin, Lovecraft’s primitive cults, including the sort of exotic tribes that haunt the anthropological imaginary, are characterized by their ongoing relationship with the ultimate forces of the cosmos.
Later entering popular culture as Erich von Daniken’s “ancient astronaut” theory, Lovecraft’s atavistic science-fictional cosmology allowed his fictions to undermine the progressive Enlightenment view of religious history popularized by Tylor and Frazer while still upholding the scientific course of civilization. The savage mysteries that animate the most primitive human cults are no longer the result of ignorant and neurosis but instead encode actual truths about the cosmos, including powerful extraterrestrial entities and dimensions of reality—like Einsteinean space-time and the non-Euclidean geometry used to describe it—that early 20th century astrophysics is only beginning to understand.
Lovecraft visualized the emergence of ancient creatures who existed in a state beyond death or life arising much like nature does: from the formless chaos. This contrasted the Abrahamic view of another perfect world but fit in more with the pagan outlook.
It turns out that J.R.R. Tolkien also had occult influences:
In the years since I first encountered The Notion Club Papers (NCPs) I have read much about some of the groupings that constituted White (Christian) Magic in England – and the various societies in a tradition that goes back to the Golden Dawn at the turn of the 19th-20th century, through Dion Fortune in the early-mid 20th century, and to Gareth Knight in the late 20th century and his death only a few years ago.
There are many indications that – even if not self-consciously so – the Notion Club, which seems to have begun as a literary club, has come to function, more and more, as a Magical Society – as its members develop methods for attaining the altered states of consciousness by which they become aware of, and influenced by, the society and events of a remote and indeed mythical past.
Since the magical techniques are described from a distinctly positive perspective, and in pursuit of aims of which Tolkien approved; it seems that Tolkien was implicitly (although he tended publicly to deny this) far more positive concerning the nature and possibilities of “magic” in the modern world, than might otherwise have been suspected.
His pagan leanings may have come in through the branch of Catholicism that favored philosophical and not theological Christianity, as filtered through the Golden Dawn and similar occult groups:
The Golden Dawn aspired to be not merely a complete academy of occult knowledge (as indeed the Theosophical Society had claimed to be) but also a forum for Mystico-Magical practise — which Magic was seen as being like that of Eliphas Levi. In the words of Stephan Hoeller, Magic in this sense is “an umbrella term for the growth or expansion of consciousness by way of symbolic modalities.” To impart both knowledge and practise, an elaborate system of grades was established; as the student ascended these grades, he or she learned ever more esoteric skills.
Ithell Colquhoun, a relative of Golden Dawn co-founder MacGregor Mathers, opines that “The Lord o f the Rings has a tinge of the Golden Dawn though this may be filtered through E.R. Eddison rather than Williams, since passages near the beginning of The Worm Ouroboros (1922) are so pervaded by the Golden Dawn atmosphere as to make one speculate on its author’s esoteric background” (Colquhoun,
1975, p. 234). But the well-known suspicion J.R.R. Tolkien had for Williams’ ideas in this area leads one to suspect a rather different source for the “tinge” Colquhoun detects.Tolkien was a cultural Catholic, deeply read in both folk-lore and in pre-Reformation literature. These were themselves suffused, albeit more or less unconsciously, with the magical or Hermetic world-view, of which, after all, the Golden Dawn was only one exponent. (353-54)
In fact, his ideal dovetails with platonism and rejects neoplatonism, much as the monist pagans did:
Socrates’ pupil, Plato, developed the idea of the types or universals — such as “Man”, “Horse”, “King”, and so on — of which their concrete representations which we experience (and we ourselves) are mere shadows. These realities reside in some supernatural realm from whence they cast their shadows upon the Earth. While this theory could lend itself to a real dualism, its effect on philosophers whose psychology was influenced by Pre-Socratic attitudes often led such to consider reality as an interconnecting web of coherences and correspondences, the seen operating upon the unseen, and vice versa. Obviously, such an intellectual context lent itself to any number of religious and mystical beliefs; the obscurest maxims of the Hellenistic Mystery Schools could be considered expressions of wisdom by the most rigorous thinkers of antiquity.
The dualism implicit in Neoplatonism, which provided its main distinction from Hermeticism, was lacking in the Christian Neoplatonism of the Church Fathers. For them, as for later Christian philosophers, the Universals did not exist independently, but in the mind of God. This concept gave philosophical comprehensibility to various difficult doctrines. The Fall of Man, for instance, could be seen in terms of the falling of the whole Universal “Man”, in the persons of its then only two extant concrete representatives — Adam and Eve. This point of view, which saw the Universals as real and as the pattern from whence come all perceived physical things, is called “Ultra-Realism”. Under its influence were composed the Catholic and Orthodox liturgies, most pre-13th Century theological works, and the writings of Mystics of the same period. It is a mark of Ultra-Realism, in fact, that Mysticism (with its concomitant physical phenomena, bilocation, the stigmata, etc.,) and Theology — that is, the practise and the study of unity with God — were then considered inseparable.
What these philosophical developments meant concretely was the progressive separation of Christian Theology from Philosophy. (346-47)
This makes it unclear if Tolkien was even much of a Christian, so much as a generalized believer in the occult who found Christianity as his voice. It seems this duality lives on in metal, especially black metal, which is extremely realistic but also open to mysticism.
Tags: christianity, golden dawn, h.p. lovecraft, j.r.r. tolkien, magic, Occultism, Paganism
“….through the branch of Catholicism that favored philosophical and not theological Christianity….”
LMAO….ok
Read the second link. It goes in detail into the schism and how the Reformation ended a lot of it.
I clicked the second link and was pleasantly surprised to see that the author was Charles Coloumbe. I have read a few of his books, and listened to many talks given by him so thank you for digging up this nugget.
I think after reading this article and linked text I am confused on how this all makes it appear unclear how Christian Tolkien was. Can you elaborate and make it clearer for me?
Thanks!
The first clue is the Anglo-Saxon religious tradition, where they taught the Arthurian legends and Odyssey on par with the Bible. Synergy was expected, as was a search for parallels, creating an early kind of perennialism. This was the normal way of doing things.
Next we have to look at Tolkien’s connection to Catholicism, which was mostly through inspirational people in his life. This makes it likely to be the shell, vocabulary, and framing he will use but not necessary the core of his beliefs.
Then we look at how much Anglo-Saxon, Nordic, and Finnish mythology he absorbed…
Like the best thinkers, he had his ideas and put them into the form most likely to make sense with his memories and cultural conventions.
Whilst this is true, if you look at the nature of his creative works, the Christian themes are very dominant. Tolkien’s world is one in which there is a monotheistic creator who is essentially opposed by a fallen angel.
It does seem he aimed to create a truly Anglo-Saxon folklore through a synthesis with Christianity.
Just like the Anglicans and Episcopalians did. How… Anglo-Saxon of him.
I have to disagree here. The Catholic Church was always “baptizing” the pagan elements found in the pre-Catholic cultures the Church was evangelizing. I even think of things like “ember days” in the old Calendar. St. Paul states “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy— think on these things”. Obviously the Catholic Church found much that is/was admirable in pagan cultures (Aristotle/Plato…even the norse sagas were preserved by Catholic monks). I think even Varg said he preferred the Catholic Church to the Protestant because of how much the Catholic Church preserved of the old pagan ways.
Synthesis is not something exclusive to the Anglo-Saxon nature. Again, I just think that there is a lot of confusion regarding what Catholicism actually is. Brett, as an aside, you mentioned above that the Reformation ended the schism between theological and philosophical Christianity, do you regard this as a positive development?
What some see as preservation, I see as an attempt to capture.
Catholic Europe is poorer for a reason. Less realistic.
Even more, people use the religion they grow up in as a template… then modify it as they learn.
I have to agree. Even the creation myth in the Silmarilion is very Christian.
He also described the LOTR as a religious and Catholic work.
Leaf by Niggle is very Catholic as well.
I know he also considered his mother to be a Catholic Martyr because she went against her families wishes in becoming Catholic, was disowned, fell into bad health due to the psychological stresses, and passed away as a result. Not to mention the fact that he attended Mass regularly.
Thank you for the thoughtful response!
Why not take his dong up your ass while your at it? That would be thoughtful!
It’s a low rent religion for spics, micks, dagos, frogs, yids, and developing nation bugmen. It’s mystical and ritualistic like Judaism and doctrinaire like Islam. Your society has degenerated to fuck if the Papists walk among you.
Religions are ethnic. Mixed-race societies invent mysticism, advanced civilizations have abstract gods and complex causality.
I understand why a lot of people think that, but it was the Church that built Universities, Hospitals and beautiful Cathedrals in the middle ages. It also inspired alot fo beautiful art, poetry, and of course music. I find it hard to believe that a society is garbage when great composers like Bruckner are walking around in it (he was a devout Catholic) It was a priest who first posited the “Big Bang Theory”, Copernicus (before Galileo) dedicated a treatise to the Pope where he first posited that the earth revolved around the sun, and even the modern Genetics owes a debt to “Papists” (Mendel). Henry VIII was even titled “Defender of the Faith” before everything hit the fan. You may not like aspects of Catholicism but we should credit where it is due.
What is the Christian’s metaphysics if even he has begun to search for it? Or more concerning than that search is what naturally follows. How does the Christian even bear to have children? Theistic dualism is so perverted that it doesn’t seem that anybody can take it seriously who are just trying to live their lives by whatever values that make sense of themselves. The Greeks appeal to me, that rare individuals choose to be incarnated. I assume that reincarnation is not even a necessity and that what has never been incarnated also can choose incarnation. Here, a choice is more like the perfect union of knowledge and action, perhaps said in the terms of will and being. This world, the one of incarnation is the grounds to which we alive can offer a place to fulfill this most exacting of choices, regardless of other possibilities let us make ourselves appealing to actually be here and enjoying it and creating with one another. Let the gods make war with themselves.
I think there is a lot of confusion regarding the definition of Christianity around. A lot of “Theistic Dualism” is actually the result of Protestant “theology”. Strict Theistic Dualism is not found in Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
How can a Christian bear to have children? I assume the implication is that “Christians” see the physical world as a place of evil etc, compared to the “real world”, and thus it would absurd to even bring children into the world? If so, that’s actually a gnostic position that the Catholic Church fought against, even Crusaded against. Truth be told I think the position of the Catholic and Orthodox Church is a lot more nuanced that many folks around here would like to believe.
I think most readers here would do well to put down their Nietzsche (who right criticized the Protestant tradition he group up in and saw around him) and begin looking at the writings of the “Church Fathers” etc. Lumping all Christians together is simply intellectually dishonest.
Havahej another me born to serve
To plague and moan
So many years my seed condemned
Now free to soar!!!
Will is yours? So, creator
No intent could shadow
My disease… ever lusting pain
World of sickness
Blessed are we to taste
This life of sin
My touch is inhumane
Nocturnal beast inside
Is void of light
And empty shall remain
Deny resurrection, behead the nazarene son
Foredoomed holy spirit, our war at last be won
Legion crush jehovah, see through the faceless dog
Untie our world from Satan
You know it can’t be done
Not apologizing for placing transcendental belief in the spawn that I summon into the world through my wife’s womb, and also a healthy appetite for suffering that sees the limiting of it as contrary to what we need to be focusing on.
I hate mixed race people
And the following hybrids I wanna rape with a big spiked black cock in their mouths pussy and asshole and then keep them as my personal sex cum depositories hehe!!!
Aubrey plaza
Kate snow
Hallie Jackson
Zuleikha Robinson
Vanessa hudgens
Britney spears
Christina Aguilera
Alissa gluz
Jill mchentee
Jo bench
Beyonce
Rachel true
Natalie Portman
Daisy ridley
Sofia Vergara
All girl mulatto bitches
All funky white pussies
Women have never done anything great ever…
Traditize all women with sharia and put chastity belts on them
My blackhawaiianpolishjewraprockzilla dyke characters will have the belt only to be
Deflowered by a porn blondes tongue for my viewing pleasure
Women are expendable hell I should kill Sabrina carpenter I’m thinking about it
Kelly Clarkson is dumb but is not important to me anymore
Women suck except for rest in peace queen Elizabeth now that is a friend hehe!!!
Fuck icp korn slipknot suicide boyz Eminem Twista madball kid rock Necro I ll bill
All rap metal is gay…
Stop thinking I am…
I’m ugly worthless stupid without actually getting to know me shit!!!
Now where can I rape some bottomless hairy cunt having Jewish Hawaiian female police officer or cops huh?
And it’s possible an arab part hawaiian existing somewhere right?
Women please let me say that you’re overrated and you’re only around cuz you’re all hot…
Amen…
Aw man, this dull shit again
Shitposting’s an art and you’re too much of a faggot to be any good at it. Go away.
Is it art when it’s entirely predictable?
Man, leave Jo Bench out of this.
I read a theory that, although men and women have the same average IQ, most women tend to be mediocre while men are generally bright or stupid. Supposedly that’s why there’s only one Mary Shelley for every ten Tolkiens.
Let’s face THE REAL directly –
The Ring = Kapital
Sauron (Invisible forces) = Jewish financial group (deep state)
Eregion = The Federal Reserve
Khazad-dûm (Gold ore) = Middle East (Oil)
Then, the Kapitalist game begins –
Sauron lured the Federal Reserve Chairman into continuously printing money, until it got out of control. Eregion chairman knew that rings will deprave people, but the wheel of plague has already begun to turn. The Nazgûl are Zelensky, Harris and others so-call democratic government, It’s a controlled government by Sauron (aka the Lord of the Rings). The Invisible forces have infiltrated the entire Western world.
The chaebols are printing money, the grassroots right-wing is waging exclusivity wars (and then sacrifice), and Christians are playing democracy, pretending to be just. Good game, huh?
How to Save America? How to MAGA? The country needs to regain the right to mint coins, from Sauron. Among the successive presidents of the United States, Kennedy attempted to do this, Subsequently, the Kennedy brothers were assassinated. Can Trump (aka The Evangelical Messiah) do this?
The United States must support Israel today, no matter what the latter does. Sauron rules the Americans.
Recently, the wages of blue collar workers in the United States have skyrocketed, It may seem like a good thing, but it’s not, cuz this means that mass unemployment is imminent, the domestic manufacturing industry will collapse. And then, The United States will become Argentina, and every fkin thingz will be sold at a low price.
This is REAL SODOMY.
The Middle Earth War already started, not about tanks, but the Rings.
Fuck icp korn slipknot suicide boyz Eminem Twista madball kid rock Necro I ll bill
All rap metal is gay…
Zebra huh my Oreo ass got you upset punk
Charlie is a name of swollen freshly fucked asshole…
Spics suck
Jews suck
Gays suck
Rap sucks
Rap rock sucks
New music sucks
Room shitty boards suck
Hey Brett would u hate minorites if u lived with them u know u would…
What’s taster Ferrari or Porsche huh?
So says the The Eoplesiosaurus prime rap rockzilla Evil jewrape metal erketu police
Lady Gaga gal Gadot Eminem Lisa Marie Presley Navi rawat
Korn’s ugly wives
Slipknot’s gay ugly ass…
If trump loses blow this country up white man…
And shove a big spiked cock up the following liberals hehehe
Kamala Harris
AOC
Hillary and her funky white moldy ass pussy stinking daughter Chelsea yuck
Fuck scarjo
Fuck inclusivity
Fuck multicolored bullcrap
Fuck Oprah fuck gal Gadot fuck coshitplay capeshit fuck that crap…
Fuck nu metal
The time is now…
Fuck muds naggers rappers thugs
DESTROY AMERICA IF TRUMP LOSES…FUCK UNCLE TOM ASS NAGGERS DIE!!!
Stop watching me little maggots gay ugly worthless piece of shits you are…
Black metal isn’t realistic: it’s rather a bunch of hipster cosplayers shrieking like girls over shitty ambient music. Or is that the mysticism? I actually like girls, which is why I dislike BM.
Hahahaha
I wanna conquer the universe with the might of satan….
Fuck you….
The ichthyotitanzilla rap metal police have spoken….
And fuck naggers and their mouths kidding dissing hahaha
I want the last laugh…
Based.
Through my research I’ll tell you people something you never heard before: Christianity we have today is a paganized/bastardized version of Judaism that gave birth to a lot fantasy, conspiracy and science fiction. The King James Version (which is the dominant cornerstore of modern translations) is basically a corrupted translation of the Koine Greek/Hebrew with insane fallacies inserted in there such as the immortality of the soul, “rapture” and puritan-gnosticized dualism (God and Satan are equal, and God is a tyrant expecting you to keep “The Law” or else, while the Devil is the great liberator leading you to forbidden pleasures). It all looks more like Norse and Greek Mythology mixed with modern day Satanism if anything.
The real, Jewish Bible never intended man to go to heaven or hell, never intended man to be eternally tormented in some fictional torture chamber if he refused to repent, but man was supposed to remain on the earth where he belongs, and simply die there and that’s entirely it. If there’s a resurrection, it will again, be purely earth-bound. No one is flying either into space valhalla, nor in some botomless pit to be endlessly punished. (Hell is a mistranslation, it should simply read as “the grave”). The lake of fire is a mistranslation also that should read more like a metaphoric crucible/touchstone of refinement. There’s too many metaphorics in the bible that have been butchered and taken literally.
All the rules and sin stuff you see written in the Bible are purely written to the Jews, not pagan heathens. Whenever “gentiles” are mentioned the right translation should be more like “Hellenized Jews”. It’s a completely Jewish book that was written to a people that lived thousands of years ago, and perhaps also written to a group of people that will live thousands of years into the future, but still entirely Jewish. Even the book of Revelation it’s obviously aimed at the 12 tribes of Israel, whether past or future. Whatever the creator has planned for the non-Jews, I can assure you it is peaceful, and not psychotic like you’ve learned from “Christianity” for centuries.
…and through your offspring all nations on earth will be *blessed*, because you have obeyed me. Gen 22:18
Welcome to mythical fantasy shattered. Now metal can finally die out in peace or find another enemy to fight and draw inspiration from.
Woah so ur saying that like this like book and associated belief system that’s been utilized by like countless individuals and institutions over the course of like millennia has undergone significant if not fundamental transformations? Like there’s like possibly an implication within your statement that this activity is in contrast with other artifacts and thoughtforms of such monolithic proportions but like I bet that if pressed you’d either maintain that such an implication is satirical or concede that the nature of human enterprise is unceasing change and a microcosm of life as we know it, the life of thought. Does thought live? I dunno man it’s starting to get a little far out for me grab me a Scooby snack man
Hey, those are difficult words. :(
im freaking out man
Metals enemy is….
Gangster rap metal
No think about it no…it is true…
Dumb criminal minorites or trashy behavior hahahaha
Tupac was a loser my drawings are a joke and Necro korn slipknot need to commit suicide
So says the
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So no I’m not fucking a black girl either
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Wanna fuck gooks with big asses like mia khalifa only!!!
And Zuleikha Robinson too…
Hahahaha plus tahitians too hahahaha…